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Berconius
1:57 pm | June 28, 2004
Well, since no one's going to read this anyway, What does anyone who still checks this think about the European Union in terms of expanding into a power similar to the UN or NATO?

They're entirely economic and don't have anything resembling an army but if they did, do you guys think that they would ever become a world ower kinda thing and actually get something done?

If so, in time to challenge China in a East-versus-west kind of thing?

Wow, this is random...
Nick Kang
1:35 pm | June 26, 2004
No, he's ONI...I think.

And I agree, us Americans have a shitload of firepower, but we use it innefectively, such as saturating an area with tank fire as we send in a Company of Marines...

And I'm not sure if Australia's army constantly kicks the USA's arse, but if the two nations got in a war, it would be a stalemate.

NK
Walker
1:28 pm | June 26, 2004
To Severian: it never was democratic. America was founded as a Republic... within the past forty years or so it has become Socialist. I guess I could understand that point of view about Starship troopers, but he never bashed on their system of government. He described the whole thing matter-of-factly. And, compared to the rotten core of Socialism America is now, I wouldn't mind if that was how things were, despite the fact that it is a global government--the prospect of which I despise.

To Berconius: Yes, and I hope the powers that be, now and for the next few decades, will prepare. But, of course, they won't--that wouldn't be politically correct. China will whup us when they're ready, and we'll be so wrapped up in our own ever-more-communistic government to do anything about it.

To Mainevent: sometime in the future. Next month, maybe? Probably by next week. I'll start cracking at it now, and won't stop till I get two pages done.

"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms." -Robert A. Heinlein

-Walker
Walker
1:26 pm | June 26, 2004
I don't think so.
Helljumper
1:19 pm | June 26, 2004
Hey guys who own all the Halo books, is Colonel Ackerson ODST.

ODST
BansheeBoy
9:48 am | June 26, 2004
Well done! Hopefully this will improve all the n00b's writing
Guardian
3:52 am | June 26, 2004
crap! mistake, my fault.

The Spartan, some marines, and mostly ODST that took the Covenant Piece of Property and drove off everything the Covenant Threw at them
Guardian
3:45 am | June 26, 2004
We all like the Hell jumpers, we all like the spartans. But the "Spanish Spartan"

that just butchers the Halo story line with the spartans, marines and ODST.


by the way 343 SB, i read The Third World-Resolutions, and it sucked horribly and butchered all personalities of all the characters.
Berconius
3:30 am | June 26, 2004
yeah, Walker, ARE you working on the Charge? I love that story, you de-wussiify the Grunts a TON. Definitely does the little guys justice.
Berconius
2:51 am | June 26, 2004
How the heck did we get to THIS topic??

Well, anyway, as I know Chine won't be much of a big military power for a while. Like, a few decades at least. The reason being is that despite the fact they they have a great deal of potential in terms of man power, their hardware is dying. They cannot MOVE all their men to a hot spot fast enough for it to be something worth sweating over. Their defense budget is also supposedly lacking. I'm not too clear on all this, but that's what my friend tells me.

China isn't a power yet, Walker. They grow fast, but a 2 million man army still isn't any good with rust bucket trucks and a small air force of aging fighters.
Mastergrunt
2:51 am | June 26, 2004
Nice, by the way WHEN THE HECK IS WALKER GOING TO COME OUT WITH THE NEXT COTHGB. If he already has, I am sorry for my out burst.
Severian
1:35 am | June 26, 2004
About Iraq, I just hope there isn't a draft. I'm the first son of a family at an near-eligible age.
Severian
1:28 am | June 26, 2004
About Starship Troopers... I always thought Heinlein attempted to describe how wars are fought by those who never really know what it is about. Those who actually set them up never actually fight.
America is no longer so democratic, if it ever was. Democracy, people, is just a illusion to satisfy the general masses of civilians as the higher-ups operate in systems better described as a fusion of fascism and despotism.
Walker
12:59 am | June 26, 2004
Also, my uncle is on his second tour in Iraq with the Marine Corps.
Walker
10:26 pm | June 25, 2004
As for China... the not-so-free Republiks of the Western World will have to deal with them soon enough. And I can tell you who's going to lose. Me. You. The so-called Civilized World.
Walker
10:21 pm | June 25, 2004
I feel ya, Dave. Unfortunately, when Quebec became dominant, the Great North... went south.

America's done the same... we're now, for all intents and purposes, the Great Amerikan Socialist Republik.

And so we see the greatest victory of the Communist movement come to pass.

-Walker
343 Salty Beans
8:27 pm | June 25, 2004
I totally agree with you, NK. Paintball rocks. Me I prefer flying down a fifteen-foot bombshell of a wave, then making a bottom turn into the line of trim. Surfing and sponging giant waves always get my adrenaline pumping. I just wish fifteen foot sets happened more than a few times a year...


343SB
Dave Luck
7:55 pm | June 25, 2004
What about us Canadians? We kicked ass during the world wars? My Great-Uncle Reggie (Serving on the British Air Force) kicked ass during world war two!

What about China? They have the largest army in men.

Unfortunately for us, the Liberal Government decided to spend the military funding on golf balls... so we have no army now. Not even a slingshot!
AmokTheClown
7:01 pm | June 25, 2004
try and tell that to the American military who's arse we constantly kick
Walker
6:48 pm | June 25, 2004
Marines are our equivalent of a Foreign Legion. They are reputed to be feircer than the regular Army, and there's a reason why Marines always go in first: they can handle the heat.

And if it weren't for national pride, I'd agree with you, Australia has the best military. But I don't. It's just second best.

Molon labe!

-Walker
AmokTheClown
5:20 pm | June 25, 2004
yep... have been for a couple of years now. and i'm not lying when i say we probably have the best military in the world...

maybe not the best equiped, but we do an awesome job with what we got. the yanks have a hell of a lot of firepower... but that tends to get in their way alot.

i was talking to a marine the other week who is training with us over here... he said that what we can do as basic... the very basic level is completely above and beyond what a basic marine can do... and its my understanding that marines are alot better then your full time army

then on top of that we have our special forces... commando's, SASR...

they are scary bastards too
Dave Luck
4:57 pm | June 25, 2004
Thanks. I'm glad I'm not a Newbie anymore. A 'Novice' sounds much better.

Getting back on topic, I figured this:

The Chief HAS emotions (tags aren't showing up!) but he just shoves them down inside and forgets.

Here, read this. It's from one of my series not yet submitted.

"... Fred froze at the sight of the gargantuan beasts. He had seen them before, but not in hordes so thick they blotted out the ground beneath. He had been scared before. Fred looked left and right, looking for a way around the massive group of aliens. He swallowed and shoved his fear down inside himself. Being afraid was for the wet-behind-the-ears recruits and conscripts. He was a Spartan. Fred slowly moved out of cover, rifle at the ready..."

That's how the Master Chief would show his emotions. He gets scared all the time. He just never shows it. And he never lets it show, and never lets it affect him.

- Dave.
Helljumper
4:42 pm | June 25, 2004
I was so close to joining the New Jersey National Guard. I was in the office, I had 4 years of JROTC under my belt.
Told them I needed a little more time.
I really wanted to do it, then I got the acceptance letter from the
University of Pittsburgh and they gave me full tuition.
Come on you can't turn that down.
So thats were I stand.
If this college thing doesn't work out, i'm signing up.

ODST

Go Weekend Warriors
Walker
1:39 pm | June 25, 2004
Exactly why I've wanted a career in the military, ever since I was 10 (a lot of things happened when I was 10 it seems). Amok, you're in the Australian services, aren't you?

-Walker
Nick Kang
12:18 pm | June 25, 2004
For people too young to become a soldier, there's always paintball. Which does, I must say, strengthens leadership, problem solving skills, and is played by adrenaline addicts, such as myself.

NK
AmokTheClown
8:04 am | June 25, 2004
I'm a soldier myself. so i know more then anyone what its like to fight, or train for something that you don't agree with. but be that as it may, i signed on the dotted line and agreed to a contract...

and in the end, thats all it is. a job. a stint. but along the way you figure out that its not the money or the glory that you fight for, its the guy next to you.
its been said in books, and on movies and talkshows, radios and god knows what else... but you will never experience what its like until your in a situation where what you do depends on weather your best friend next to you lives or dies...
sadly, most people will never get to experience something like this...

oh, and i did read that starship troopers novel... very well written...

AmokTheClown
AmokTheClown
8:04 am | June 25, 2004
I'm a soldier myself. so i know more then anyone what its like to fight, or train for something that you don't agree with. but be that as it may, i signed on the dotted line and agreed to a contract...

and in the end, thats all it is. a job. a stint. but along the way you figure out that its not the money or the glory that you fight for, its the guy next to you.
its been said in books, and on movies and talkshows, radios and god knows what else... but you will never experience what its like until your in a situation where what you do depends on weather your best friend next to you lives or dies...
sadly, most people will never get to experience something like this...

oh, and i did read that starship troopers novel... very well written...

AmokTheClown
Walker
1:50 am | June 25, 2004
In fact, I never even sensed the doubts about leadership... maybe you meant the higher-ups in combat leadership? In the book the war is given no explanation other than it's a fight to the death... no insight into its beginnings, nor how it will end. Just a fight, from the footsoldier's point of view.

I started reading Heinlein when I was about 10. I always knew I liked something about him, but I didn't know what it was until I finished Starship Troopers abouta week ago. This quote (from Double Star) sums it up:

"I am not a pacifist. Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the socieal group without being willing to pay--and claims a halo for his dishonesty... life belongs to those who do not fear to lose it."
-Robert A. Heinlein

Hope I didn't offend anyone, but I'm not going to apologize if I did.

-Walker
Walker
1:46 am | June 25, 2004
Rico's attitude about war seems to be "I don't question the motives, just let me do my job." Heinlein was an Annapolis graduate and served on the USS Lexington, so I suppose he shared the same attitude.

"An armed society is a polite society." -Robert A. Heinlein

-Walker
SeverianofUrth
1:26 am | June 25, 2004
Someone told me once that "Starship Troopers", the book, was once required reading at West Point... But he was a jackass, so I don't really believe him.
And yeah, the book is awesome. Not only does it deal with honor and soldiery, but also in the background are doubts about the rulers that sends them to war, and etc. etc.
Heinlein's best book, really.
Helljumper
1:17 am | June 25, 2004
Well Nick Kang, the book is so much better and is different. The MI in the book go down in capsules with skins that peel away and then parachutes. Sound a like like how Dietz described the HEVs in Halo the Flood. The dropships from the movie are not like HEVs to correct you. Even though bungie did borrow from the book and the movie. They also borrowed heavily from Aliens. Read the book its cheap like $7 at the book store. It deals a lot with what it means to be a soldier. To write about ODST I suggest reading Starship Troopers.

ODsT
Nick Kang
12:29 am | June 25, 2004
I've seen the movie Starship Troopers, seen the show, and have even thought about buying Starship Troopers 2. I've never read the book, though.
Having said that, I think the Bungie staff 'borrowed' a lot of details from ST. In the movie, notice how the big plasma bug bolts look suspiciously like Wraith bolts.
Also notice how the Human soldier's armor looks suspiciously like the Marines from Halo.
Their 'drop-ships', if you will, seem suspiciously like HEVs, and their bombers have quite a bit of similiarities to a Longsword...

NK
Helljumper
12:14 am | June 25, 2004
Well, none of the Halo books go into details about where they get their officers from but i'm assuming its probably similar to today's military as opposed to hoe Starship Troopers does it.
By today's military I mean civilians can go right to military school like West Point.
or maybe join in college like ROTC.
I'm sure with many Marines dieing, they probably do a lot of battlefield commisions.
This means that Sergeants are giving a commision without OCS.
I'm also sure regular Marines who show promise can be recommended for OCS

ODST

"When we push the Covenant back, whuch I sincerely believe we will, that victory will be the result of work by men and women like Lieutenant McKay. Human beings who arerazorsharp, metal tough, and green to the core. Do you read me?" Major Silva ODST RIP
Berconius
9:21 pm | June 24, 2004
Here here! My thoughts exactly, Dave. On the terms concerning n00b, newb and such. There are, however, "Novices". Essentially greenhorns who are miraculously fast on improvement and rise quickly in the community to the rank of "regular". Dave, you appear to be one such novice, not a newbie.

Thanks for the character run down, Salty, I'll keep it in mind...if I ever get to releasing my fanfic.

STARSHIP TROOPERS!!!! Robert Heinlein ROCKED in writing that. I'm not familiar with the HEV much, but I know those capsules that Walker pointed out. Not INCREDIBLY profound, but definitely works. Concerning their connection to ODSTs, I can see where the term "elitist" would fit in. I mean, the passing rate for Mobile Infantry was something under 10%, right? That's 9 out of 10 people who washed out or died trying their hardest. With a group that small and tough, it would be ridiculous not to feel pride in just wearing the uniform and being able to do what you do.

Hey, Helljumper, do the ODSTs select their officers from existing noncoms? If they do, that would be VERY much like the MI. Five minutes for the padre!

Vexilli Regis Prodeunt Inferni!
Dave Luck
8:11 pm | June 24, 2004
I think that the problem is...

A newbie: (Extremely rare, but here is one, standing right in front of you - me.)

- Someone who is new to the section, but follows proper internet ettiquette laws, and also knows when to say something, and when to, uh, shall I say, STFU?

- Check out stfu.ca - it's about Counter-Strike, and it's about STFU n00b.


A newb

- Someone who is new, and breaks several internet ettiquette laws, but follows the majority.



A n00b.

- Someone who can be on for an eternity, but does not care to read, or take any regards to any sort of internet ettiquette or protocols. (Geez. I sound like 343 Guilty Spark) They're just out to annoy you. That's when you put them on the Banned IPs list, and sit back, and ignore their cries at the door. Oh, and if you are like my old buddy Schroder, you'd probably just go and beat the crap out of them.


------------------------------------------

Anyhow, I think yes, this should be put up in a special link, in a place where everyone will notice.

Still, I think that n00bs just continue to ignore the required protocols just for the sake of being idiots. They besmirch the name of Halo.

The worst part about n00bs is that they don't realize they ARE n00bs, or worse, don't care.

I'm voting Conservative this election, and I will email my MP about making n00bness a capital offense punishable by 80 years in prison (not eligible for parole) or death sentence. There should be stiffer crimes for n00bness, and if n00bness is not accountable, then it should be charged as 'Public mischief' or 'hate crimes.'
Walker
7:37 pm | June 24, 2004
Yeah, it's a great book.

Finish it, soldier! That's an order! On the bounce!
Helljumper
6:21 pm | June 24, 2004
Hey Walker i'm actually read Starship troopers right now, i'm almost done

ODST
Dave Luck
5:00 pm | June 24, 2004
I think you're right 343 Salty Beans.

I've seen....

People Portray the Master Chief as a...

...butcher who does nothing but kill.
...when in training, some people make him look like a foolish middle-schooler that has been warped into military camp.
... and other things.

I think that Wu needs to seriously clean up the Fanfic section.
Walker
4:26 pm | June 24, 2004
Oh, and it doesn't mock the honorable proffession of soldiering, unlike the film. I despise that icky, slimy, disgusting... "movie" is a name it doesn't deserve. It's more like anti-war ranting.
Walker
4:21 pm | June 24, 2004
Starship Troopers: the original novel of a futuristic Spartan society. ODSTs took their HEVs from Starship Troopers. If you've seen the movie, the book is 30-gazillion times better and gives the exact opposite message. Go read it.

*Slips quietly into the night*

-Walker
Sentinel
4:19 pm | June 24, 2004
Good job. Very accurate.
343 Salty Beans
4:12 pm | June 24, 2004
YES! I did it right! Woohoo!

To Wiley: That is sorta what I meant, but...I couldn't really find words for it. YOur idea was much better.

To Walker: By elitist, I meant basically sort of bigots. They feel a little superior to anyone who isn't in their group, especially Spartans.

Thanks for the compliments, guys. Glad I did it right.

343SB
spanish spartan
3:34 pm | June 24, 2004
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Nick Kang
2:40 pm | June 24, 2004
They should post this, along with Sterfrye's guide to fiction, on the submission form.
Awesome.

NK
Helljumper
2:36 pm | June 24, 2004
Good job 343 you please me. Its clear that everyone is just ignoring Spanish Spartan's childish behavior. I personally see the ODST like todays US Rangers. They are all volunteer and are considered Special Forces even though they work in platoons, companies, and Battalions unlike NAvy Seals or Delta Force that are squad based units. Great job. I'm happy.

ODST

" but that doesn't change the facts. The Spartans program is over. Human beings will win this war... s0 you might as well get used to it." Major Silva
Wiley
1:51 pm | June 24, 2004
One thing: Cortana dosnt have an ineffective ethics subroutine, per se, she just overrides it alot. Aquariel is just downright evil-ish


other than that, good job.

10/10

Spanish Spartan..shut your spik ass up
Walker
1:21 pm | June 24, 2004
Well, it was a good effort, good descriptions and all that (I'd probably replace calling the ODSTs "elitist" with the term "Special Forces", but whatever floats your boat) but unfortunately, I think we all know n00bs will just ignore this, continue to make the MC some kind of emotionally injured inner-child freak who needs counseling, Cortana some kind of ho, and the ODSTs into... whatever they've been doing to them.

Stupid n00bs. Not newbs, they're okay--it's the n00bs that annoy me.

*Decapitates a n00b's net persona, puts head on pike*

Sic semper tyrannis!

-Walker
Spanish Spartan
1:12 pm | June 24, 2004
THAT WAS GOOD. DONT BEND OVER AND KISS HELLJUMPER'S ASS. YOU KNOW JUST AS MUCH OR MORE THAN HIM ON ODSTS.
Spanish Spartan
1:12 pm | June 24, 2004
THAT WAS GOOD. DONT BEND OVER AND KISS HELLJUMPER'S ASS. YOU KNOW JUST AS MUCH OR MORE THAN HIM ON ODSTS.
Black Titan
1:10 pm | June 24, 2004
It was cool for you to put the personalities into perspective. You did a good job. 10/10. (Tell me what you think of my short poem: the mind of a covenant elite.)
spanish spartan
1:10 pm | June 24, 2004
HEY U SUCK.


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